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  • #36328
    Aislingeach
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    From TYI, Rules for Eclipsis (in relevant part):

    “The initial consonant of a noun is eclipsed in the dative singular following a preposition with the article.” One of the examples they give is:

    leis an mbata “with the stick”

    Should I infer from this that the same applies to prepositional pronouns with the article? Or is it just the multi-functional “leis” being used instead of “le”?

    GRMA

    #42325
    Labhrás
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    From TYI, Rules for Eclipsis (in relevant part):

    “The initial consonant of a noun is eclipsed in the dative singular following a preposition with the article.” One of the examples they give is:

    leis an mbata “with the stick”

    Should I infer from this that the same applies to prepositional pronouns with the article? Or is it just the multi-functional “leis” being used instead of “le”?

    GRMA

    No, if there’s “leis” meaning “with him” and coincidentally a following article, there is no eclipsis:

    Dúirt mé leis an focal ceart a scríobh = I told him to write the correct word.

    Only if “leis an” means “with the” there’s eclipsis:

    Dúirt mé leis an bhfear an focal ceart a scriobh = I told the man to write the correct word.

    #42326
    Aislingeach
    Participant

    Grma, a chara. Tuigim. Ach cén fath “leis” an mbata ionad “le” an mbata?

    #42327
    Lughaidh
    Participant

    Ó thaobh na staire dó, bhí s- i dtús an ailt, abair 1500 bliain ó shoin. I Sean-Ghaeilg, deirtí “lasin…” le “with the” a rá (le + alt in aon fhocal amháin). Agus i Nua-Ghaeilg, “leis an…”, inar scaradh an t-alt agus an réamhfhocal.
    Ar an dóigh chéarna, cuirtear “s” isteach nuair a úsáidtear an réamhfhocal “i” roimh an alt : i+an = ins an (a giorraíodh mar “sa(n)” go minic). Ach aríst, is cuid don alt an “s” sin, ní cuid don réamhfhocal é.

    #42328
    Aislingeach
    Participant

    Ah! So, “leis an” i gcónaí? Agus “na”? An bhfuil sé “leis na” i gcónaí?

    #42329
    Lughaidh
    Participant

    Sea, “leis an” i gcónaí, agus “leis na” i gcónaí” (ach amannaí deirtear “le na” i nGaoth Dobhair).
    I gcupla áit i dTír Chonaill, deireann siad “les na”.

    #42332
    Aislingeach
    Participant

    Go raibh maith agut, a Lughaidh. 🙂

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