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  • #36793
    hildegardh
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    I’m using Rosetta Stone to learn Irish. While I think it’s a good product and I’ve learned a lot I’m having problems with the meaning following:
    Aige
    Aici
    Acu
    Agam
    Agaibh
    Againn

    It would help to know the meaning to better understand!

    Thank you for your help!

    #45587
    Wee_Falorie_Man
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    ag – at

    agam – at me
    agat – at you
    aige – at him
    aici – at her

    againn – at us
    agaibh – at you all (plural)
    acu – at them

    #45588
    eadaoin
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    “ag” used in various ways ..

    Tá XX agam = I have a XX .. etc

    eadaoin

    #45589
    Seáinín
    Participant

    In most English-language grammars for Irish these are referred to as “prepositional pronouns”. Here’s a Daltaí page that gives lots of good examples: http://www.daltai.com/grammar/prepositional-pronouns/.

    Go n-éirí an t-ádh leat, a Hildegardh!

    #45590
    hildegardh
    Participant

    Thank you so much for all your help.

    #45591
    hildegardh
    Participant

    Hello again,

    Since Rosetta Stone does not give any translations but lets one figure things out based on pictures shown, I do seem to need some additional help. Thank you in advance for all and any help.

    What do the following mean:

    An dath
    An páiste/Tá na páistí
    An duine fásta/Tá na daoine fásta
    Mná – women?

    Siad – them?

    I know úll means apple and arán means bread but what form of the words is t-t-úll and t-arán. Is this (t-) applied only to certain nouns? If so why?
    Úill
    Uibhe vs uibheacha – eggs? why are there two different forms?
    Tá uisce aige. Tá sé ag ól – He has water? He is drinking?
    Ceapairí – sandwiches?
    Tá sé ina chodladh – He is sleeping?
    Tá sí ina codladh – She is sleeping?
    Tá siad ina gcodladh – They are sleeping?
    Cad é seo?
    Bhfuil

    #45592
    Labhrás
    Participant

    Hello again,

    Since Rosetta Stone does not give any translations but lets one figure things out based on pictures shown, I do seem to need some additional help. Thank you in advance for all and any help.

    What do the following mean:

    An dath = the color
    An páiste/Tá na páistí = the child/the children are
    An duine fásta/Tá na daoine fásta = the adult person/ the adult persons are
    Mná – women? Yes.
    Tá = Is/are
    Siad – them? Yes.

    I know úll means apple and arán means bread but what form of the words is t-t-úll and t-arán. Is this (t-) applied only to certain nouns? If so why?

    an t-úll = the apple, an t-arán = the bread. The t- is due to the article, actually a part of the article. It is applied to masculine nouns beginning with a vowel.

    Úill = apples or of an apple.
    Uibhe vs uibheacha – eggs? why are there two different forms?
    Because different forms are used. Uibheacha usual plural, uibhe plural used with numbers (and it is genitive: of an egg), e.g. na huibheacha = the eggs, trí huibhe = three eggs.

    Tá uisce aige. Tá sé ag ól – He has water? He is drinking? Yes.
    Ceapairí – sandwiches? Yes.
    Tá sé ina chodladh – He is sleeping? Yes.
    Tá sí ina codladh – She is sleeping? Yes.
    Tá siad ina gcodladh – They are sleeping? Yes.
    Cad é seo? = What’s this?
    Bhfuil = Is/are (in questions, following go or nach etc.[)/i]

    #45593
    eadaoin
    Participant

    Tá na páistí = the children are
    Tá na daoine fásta = the adult people are

    these are statements – not questions …..
    (in Irish the verb comes before the subject …)

    #45594
    hildegardh
    Participant

    an t-úll = the apple, an t-arán = the bread. The t- is due to the article, actually a part of the article.

    What do you mean “part of the article?”

    úll = apple
    an t-úll = the appleTá siad ag ithe úll = they are eating apple(s)? This appears to be the singular of apple?
    An bhfuil sé ag ithe úill = Is he eating an apple/apples?

    So….

    arán = bread
    an t-arán = the bread
    Tá an calinín ag ithe aráin = The girl is eating bread?

    rís = rice
    Tá an an fear agus an bhan ag ithe ríse (plural)/Tá sé ag ithe ríse?

    An gluaisteán = a car or the car?

    Ag tiomáint = to drive?

    Tá sé ag tiomáint guaisteáin = He is driving the car?

    An nuachtán = a newspaper or the newspaper

    Tá siad ad léamh nuachtáin (plural)?

    Uibhe vs uibheacha – eggs? why are there two different forms?

    Because different forms are used. Uibheacha usual plural, uibhe plural used with numbers (and it is genitive: of an egg), e.g.
    na huibheacha = the eggs, trí huibhe = three eggs.

    So….
    Tá an fear ag ithe uibhe./Tá siad an ithe uibheacha. = The man is eating eggs/They are eating eggs

    #45595
    eadaoin
    Participant

    just to complicate life ….

    after “ag” e.g. “ag leamh”, “ag ithe” etc, the genitive is used (he is eating of an egg, I am reading of a newspaper)

    so aráin is genitive of arán, nuachtáin of nuachtán, gluaisteáin of gluaisteán

    ríse must be genitive of rís (never met this, but it looks like a genitive)

    uibhe is genitive singular and nominative plural of “ubh” (had to check that in the dictionary!) I suppose uibheacha must be the gen. pl.

    eadaoin

    #45596
    Wee_Falorie_Man
    Participant

    Just letting you know:

    ubh is masculine in Munster:
    ubh – egg, an egg
    an t-ubh – the egg

    uibhe is the plural form of “eggs” (and of course, the genitive singular) in Munster:
    na huibhe – the eggs
    Itheann sé uibhe gach lá. – He eats eggs every day.

    Apparently, they say uibheacha in other places; I just wanted to let you know that this kind of thing can vary according to dialect.

    #45597
    Héilics Órbhuí
    Participant

    uibheacha is the plural (both nominative and genitive) in some dialects (I think most forms of Connacht). “uibhe” is the standard plural and also the special counting plural.

    Note that what at least one person above said about nouns following the verbal noun (ag ithe, ag ól, etc.) is true in certain cases but not true in others. The actual rules that govern this are somewhat complicated. Generally speaking, you will see the following noun be in the genitive if it is unqualified, i.e. if it is not followed by an adjective (i.e. ag ithe úill = eating an apple, but ag ithe úll mór = eating a big apple) or if it is itself another verbal noun. At this point I would really not worry too much about the intricacies of this but I figured it was worth mentioning.

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