The w sound

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  • #36407
    Fabiola
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    [size=4]Hi,[/size]

    Does the w sound ( like in English world ) occur in Irish words like Gaeilge or Dia is Muire dhuit ?
    Are they pronounced gweelin and dias mwiri ghwit or geelin and dias miri ghit ?

    Thank you for your answer.

    #42850
    Cúnla
    Participant

    In ⟨Gaeilge⟩ (or ⟨Gaelainn⟩), no, there’s no labialization (your lips don’t round like for an English ⟨w⟩). More like [É¡Ë eːlʲɟɪ] and [É¡Ë elɪɲ] with the first vowel also velarized…

    In ⟨Muire⟩, yes. [mʷɪɾʲɪ], maybe…

    #42851
    Lughaidh
    Participant

    Does the w sound ( like in English world ) occur in Irish words like Gaeilge or Dia is Muire dhuit ?
    Are they pronounced gweelin and dias mwiri ghwit or geelin and dias miri ghit ?

    Yes when they are badly pronounced LOL. It’s one of the ways to recognize if a speaker is a native speaker or a non-native (but there are non-native who pronounce properly too, thank God)

    In native Irish there’s another sound after these consonants, but it doesn’t exist in English, it’s like a very very short uh-sound, but it’s better to hear it from native speakers. It’s not rounded as w : your lips don’t move forward unlike with w.
    Like in Ulster :
    guh-AY-likk
    jee-uh SMWIH-yeh duh-Itch (roughly)

    #42875
    Días Lasairfhíona
    Participant

    The w-sound does occur on broaden p-, b-, f-, m– and g-sounds, like in Gaeilge, faoi, buí. And, as Irish does not know the letter w, it can be written as bh– and mh– and bhf-.

    #42876
    Cúnla
    Participant

    @Días Lasairfhíona: yes, it does occur after the broad labials ⟨p⟩, ⟨b⟩, ⟨f⟩, ⟨m⟩, but the labialized semivowel [w] does not occur after broad velars like ⟨g⟩ or ⟨c⟩ as in Gaeilge &c.

    #42877
    Lughaidh
    Participant

    Seconded. Only non-native speakers say “gwaylga”, it’s a pronunciation that replaces the Irish sounds by the closest English ones…

    #42905
    Fabiola
    Participant

    Hi !

    I’m asking about pronunciation of Irish An Mhuir Mheann.
    Is it [ ən virj vjan] or [ ən vwirj vjan ] with w sound ?

    Thank you for your answer.

    #42906
    Cúnla
    Participant

    Would depend on the dialect, I’d think…

    /É™nÌªË wɪɾʲ vʲɑːnÌªË / in Connemara Irish.

    /É™nÌªË vwɪɾʲ vʲaunÌªË / (???) in Munster-ish Irish???…

    #42907
    aonghus
    Participant

    An Meánmhuir is the Mediterranean if that is what you mean.

    You will get synthesised Gaoth Dobhair an Cois Fharraige pronunciations here

    http://www.abair.tcd.ie/

    #42908
    Cúnla
    Participant

    Cf. [url=http://glg.csisdmz.ul.ie/flash/hi/0726.jpg]http://glg.csisdmz.ul.ie/flash/hi/0726.jpg[/url]

    #42909
    aonghus
    Participant

    Ambaist!

    I had forgotten that usage, it is usually called Muir Éireann now.

    Muir Meann

    #42910
    Cúnla
    Participant

    Muise tá an ceart agat a Aonghuis—sean-neodrach a bhí i ⟨muir⟩ fadó, ar ndóigh.

    #42915
    Fabiola
    Participant

    But you haven’t answered my question.
    Is the pronunciation [ virj ] for the word [size=4]mhuir[/size] correct ?
    Thank you for your answer.

    #42916
    aonghus
    Participant

    Fabiola, since I cannot read IPA I cannot answer your question.
    That is why I suggested the synthesiser.

    #42918
    Fabiola
    Participant

    I’m repeating my question.
    Is the pronunciation [ virj ] for the word [size=4]mhuir[/size] correct ?
    Thank you for your answer.

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