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November 2, 2012 at 5:35 pm #36407
Fabiola
Participant[size=4]Hi,[/size]
Does the w sound ( like in English world ) occur in Irish words like Gaeilge or Dia is Muire dhuit ?
Are they pronounced gweelin and dias mwiri ghwit or geelin and dias miri ghit ?Thank you for your answer.
November 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm #42850Cúnla
ParticipantIn ⟨Gaeilge⟩ (or ⟨Gaelainn⟩), no, there’s no labialization (your lips don’t round like for an English ⟨w⟩). More like [É¡Ë eËlʲɟɪ] and [É¡Ë elɪɲ] with the first vowel also velarized…
In ⟨Muire⟩, yes. [mʷɪɾʲɪ], maybe…
November 2, 2012 at 7:17 pm #42851Lughaidh
ParticipantDoes the w sound ( like in English world ) occur in Irish words like Gaeilge or Dia is Muire dhuit ?
Are they pronounced gweelin and dias mwiri ghwit or geelin and dias miri ghit ?Yes when they are badly pronounced LOL. It’s one of the ways to recognize if a speaker is a native speaker or a non-native (but there are non-native who pronounce properly too, thank God)
In native Irish there’s another sound after these consonants, but it doesn’t exist in English, it’s like a very very short uh-sound, but it’s better to hear it from native speakers. It’s not rounded as w : your lips don’t move forward unlike with w.
Like in Ulster :
guh-AY-likk
jee-uh SMWIH-yeh duh-Itch (roughly)November 7, 2012 at 10:53 am #42875Días Lasairfhíona
ParticipantThe w-sound does occur on broaden p-, b-, f-, m– and g-sounds, like in Gaeilge, faoi, buí. And, as Irish does not know the letter w, it can be written as bh– and mh– and bhf-.
November 7, 2012 at 11:13 am #42876Cúnla
Participant@Días Lasairfhíona: yes, it does occur after the broad labials ⟨p⟩, ⟨b⟩, ⟨f⟩, ⟨m⟩, but the labialized semivowel [w] does not occur after broad velars like ⟨g⟩ or ⟨c⟩ as in Gaeilge &c.
November 7, 2012 at 12:52 pm #42877Lughaidh
ParticipantSeconded. Only non-native speakers say “gwaylga”, it’s a pronunciation that replaces the Irish sounds by the closest English ones…
November 19, 2012 at 5:45 pm #42905Fabiola
ParticipantHi !
I’m asking about pronunciation of Irish An Mhuir Mheann.
Is it [ ən virj vjan] or [ ən vwirj vjan ] with w sound ?Thank you for your answer.
November 19, 2012 at 6:15 pm #42906Cúnla
ParticipantWould depend on the dialect, I’d think…
/É™nÌªË wɪɾʲ vʲɑËnÌªË / in Connemara Irish.
/É™nÌªË vwɪɾʲ vʲaunÌªË / (???) in Munster-ish Irish???…
November 19, 2012 at 8:48 pm #42907aonghus
ParticipantAn Meánmhuir is the Mediterranean if that is what you mean.
You will get synthesised Gaoth Dobhair an Cois Fharraige pronunciations here
November 19, 2012 at 9:35 pm #42908Cúnla
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November 19, 2012 at 9:41 pm #42909aonghus
ParticipantAmbaist!
I had forgotten that usage, it is usually called Muir Éireann now.
Muir Meann
November 19, 2012 at 9:46 pm #42910Cúnla
ParticipantMuise tá an ceart agat a Aonghuis—sean-neodrach a bhí i ⟨muir⟩ fadó, ar ndóigh.
November 20, 2012 at 1:36 pm #42915Fabiola
ParticipantBut you haven’t answered my question.
Is the pronunciation [ virj ] for the word [size=4]mhuir[/size] correct ?
Thank you for your answer.November 20, 2012 at 1:38 pm #42916aonghus
ParticipantFabiola, since I cannot read IPA I cannot answer your question.
That is why I suggested the synthesiser.November 20, 2012 at 1:41 pm #42918Fabiola
ParticipantI’m repeating my question.
Is the pronunciation [ virj ] for the word [size=4]mhuir[/size] correct ?
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