thú vs. tú

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  • #36278

    Feicfidh mé thu arís amáreach. Why is thú used instead of tú? GRMA RdeM

    #42012
    Wee_Falorie_Man
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    Good question!

    In this case, “I” is the subject and “you” is the object (direct). When “tú” is the object, it changes to “thú”. By the way, “tomorrow” the adverb. :coolsmile:

    * edit: This could just be a dialect thing, but I was taught a different word order where “thú” is at the end of the sentence:

    Chífead (Feicfidh mé) arís amáireach thú.

    #42014

    Go hiontach, Thanks.

    #42016
    Lughaidh
    Participant

    In Ulster you can also use “tú” as the object.
    You’d hear “tchífidh mé amárach thú” as well as “tchífidh mé amárach tú” etc.

    #42017
    Wee_Falorie_Man
    Participant

    In Ulster you can also use “tú” as the object.

    And I think thú/tú would normally go at the end of a sentence like “Chífead amáireach thú / tchífidh mé amárach thú”, right?

    #42019
    Lughaidh
    Participant

    That’s right in Ulster. For Munster I’m not sure since they tend to put the pronoun object just after the subject (more than in Ulster).

    #42021
    Wee_Falorie_Man
    Participant

    For Munster I’m not sure since they tend to put the pronoun object just after the subject (more than in Ulster).

    I just double-checked my “bible” of Munster Irish, i.e., the original Teach Yourself Irish, and here’s what it says (page 48):

    Note that a pronoun as object tends to stand at the end of the sentence: Do chailleadar inné sa bhaile mhór é. “They lost it yesterday in town”.

    #42022
    Lughaidh
    Participant

    Right but it doesn’t mean it’s the rule in whole Munster nowadays 🙂

    #42023
    RdeM
    Participant

    Feicfidh mé thú arís amáreach, is how the sentence is written in a text from Connemarra, Bunrang na Gaeilge.

    #42024

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    #42025
    Séril Báicéir
    Participant

    Note that a pronoun as object tends to stand at the end of the sentence: Do chailleadar inné sa bhaile mhór é. “They lost it yesterday in town”.

    I have seen this in an interview with a man who says that he speaks like those in the Connemara Gaeltacht.

    Feicfidh mé thú arís amáreach, is how the sentence is written in a text from Connemarra, Bunrang na Gaeilge.

    And I have also seen this as well in many texts. It may come down to personal preference as I believe most speakers (if not ALL) would understand you either way. 🙂

    #42026
    Seáinín
    Participant

    An Focal, de réir na Leabhar Ó Siadhail 😉

    “When used disjunctively, that is, not as a subject directly following on a verb form, thú, é, í, iad or thusa, eisean, ise, iadsan are used. Mé/mise, muid/muide, sibh/sibhse remain the same.”

    And, regarding word order:

    Cloisim anois thú. I hear you now.
    Tigim thusa anois ach ní thigim iad sin. I understand you now, but I don’t understand those fellows.

    “When the ordinary form of a pronoun, e.g. thú, is used an adverb or adverbial phrase, e.g. anois, precedes it.” Apparently by “ordinary” here he means a disjuntive, non-emphatic, non-contrast form of the pronoun.

    #42027
    Labhrás
    Participant

    A pronoun like thú can stand in three positions here:

    1) Feicfidh mé thú arís amáireach.
    2) Feicfidh mé arís thú amáireach.
    3) Feicfidh mé arís amáireach thú.

    But I wonder if all three have exactly the same meaning or if they are slightly different.
    I think that 3) is the most neutral variant without further connotations.
    Can I put some emphasis on one of the adverbs by using 1) or 2)?

    #42063
    Marcoman
    Participant

    thú can be a subject as well, if I’m right. is maith liom thú

    #42064
    Lughaidh
    Participant

    Yes, but subject of the copula only, and in certain patterns only…

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