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All the contributors to the Duolingo Irish course seem to be Irish.

Slán.

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Ceart go leor. GRMA.

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Hi Labhrás.

Thanks for your input.

So, you agree that my suggestion “Ní maith liom glaoch air” is the correct usage of “glaoigh ar” in this sentence type.

And, would you agree that it does not matter whether the verb + preposition forms a phrasal unit (as with “glaoigh ar“) or not, but rather, it is the prepositional (indirect) object nature that determines the syntax?

Take this sentence I found when looking for examples of usage:

Tá orthu cuntas gearr a scríobh faoi, ag úsáid na bhfocal céanna atá i gCuid A le cuidiú leo
[url=http://tinyurl.com/zpaqgt9]TEG[/url](page 4)

I would see “scríobh faoi” as a non-phrasal instance (merely “scríobh” + preposition) whereas “cuidiú leo” (“cuidigh le”) is phrasal (see entries for [url=http://www.focloir.ie/ga/dictionary/ei/write]”write”[/url] and [url=http://www.focloir.ie/ga/dictionary/ei/help]”help”[/url] in NEID) yet both exhibit the same syntax (VN + prepositional pronoun).

NOTE: I have looked again at the[url=http://nualeargais.ie/gnag/verbnom1.htm#Infinitiv mit zu] GnaG page[/url] that B referred me to and quoted from. I found that, following the section on direct objects with the verbal noun, it goes on to talk about indirect objects and says this:

with an indirect object
Just the opposite as in German, the indirect object in Irish is always following the verbal noun. The preposition a = to is not used.
Indirect objects are dative objects, in Irish always introduced with a preposition [my bold]

This would seem to support my analysis.

Still, if I could refer to some “authoratative” work that provides a definitive statement on the subject, it would help.
Does anyone know if there is anything on this topic in Gramadach gan Stró, for example.?

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