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A chairde,
From TYI, Lesson VII:
Mo and do drop the o before a vowel, and the d of do is changed to a t: m’athair “my father”, t’athair “your father”.
Does this also apply to “fh”? Would “your farm” be “t’fheirm”?GRMA
Yes, mo and do become m’ and d’ (or t’ in Munster and Connachta) before vowels and before fh-+vowels. So you’ll get:
d’úll
d’fheoil
but do fhreagra (because fh is followed by a consonant).Yet another example of the “official standard” matching Ulster Irish – I guess they’re pretty much the same thing, right?
Just kidding! 😉
Yes, this time Standard Irish has borrowed that from Ulster Irish, because it’s more “regular” (do>d’, than do>t’) than in C and M…
But my examples, in Ulster Irish, would be d’úlla and do fhreagar.Yes, mo and do become m’ and d’ (or t’ in Munster and Connachta) before vowels and before fh-+vowels. So you’ll get:
d’úll
d’fheoil
but do fhreagra (because fh is followed by a consonant).GRMA, a Lughaidh. So in Munster I would have:
t’ull
t’fheoil
ach
do fhreagracorrect? Ceist eile, when the o is dropped are my m, t and d still broad? Or do they become broad/slender based on the vowels that follow the apostrophe?
@ a WFM, who cares what the standard says? LOL Dala an scéal, I found a .pdf of Buntús na Gaeilge online. It’s got lots of good exercises in it. It’s Ulster Irish, but I don’t see any reason that the exercises couldn’t be done in another dialect. 🙂
GRMA, a Lughaidh. So in Munster I would have:
t’ull
t’fheoil
ach
do fhreagraright
Ceist eile, when the o is dropped are my m, t and d still broad? Or do they become broad/slender based on the vowels that follow the apostrophe?
it depends on the following vowel:
t’úll is /tu:l/
t’fheoil is /t’o:l’/@ a WFM, who cares what the standard says?
me! (LOL)
Buntús na Gaeilge online. It’s got lots of good exercises in it. It’s Ulster Irish,
really? or is it Ulster vocabulary with standard grammar (as in most stuff that claims to be in Ulster Irish nowadays)?
GRMA, arís, a Lughaidh. 🙂
really? or is it Ulster vocabulary with standard grammar (as in most stuff that claims to be in Ulster Irish nowadays)?
Níl a fhios agum, a chara, probably the latter; I am not in a position to determine that. Perhaps you could have a look and see. It matters not to me, as I am learning Munster, and just using the exercises. 🙂
I see, it’s as I said…
Bummer. Such a shame if there’s really nothing out there for Ulster irish. You should write one! 🙂
The problem in writing learning books, is that you have to create the progression and the dialogues and the exercises etc. Explaining grammar is quite easy, but creating all that stuff is more difficult to me… Btw, it should be native speakers from Tír Chonaill that write such a book… but it looks like they believe Standard Irish is more worth teaching than their own authentic language…
Well I will definitely say that KNOWING that there is an issue with learning books in the Ulster dialect is the first step. If nothing else, if the learners using the books know that it’s a bit off kilter they might seek out the real stuff on their own.
Actually the books that are meant to teach Ulster Irish (and that teach Standard irish with Ulster words) don’t say they aren’t teaching the “normal” language. But I guess someone who’s learnt Irish only from Irish on Your Own, if he goes to Gaoth Dobhair, will quickly notice that there are many differences between the stuff in the book and what people say… But if they don’t hear natural Tír Chonaill’s speech, they can’t know.
Btw it’s a pity too that there’s no book that teaches Kerry Irish. The old TY Irish teachers Muskerry irish, but now Kerry Irish has more speakers and this dialect is more likely to survive, so it’d be cool if people could learn the real dialect too. There are books about it but they are rather linguistic studies, quite hard for most people (and they are in Irish, except 2 that are in French, lol)
Btw it’s a pity too that there’s no book that teaches Kerry Irish.
Well, there’s “An Ghaeilge” if you happen to speak Polish.
Unfortunately, I don’t think there are any other books that teach Kerry Irish besides that one.
Hmm…well no Polish and no French here. Is it common for there to be Gaeilge language books in Polish? or French?
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