Translation: Dark moon / Uladh dialect

[Seosamh2012]

How does one describe the dark moon in Irish? (Uladh )

Not referring to the New Moon Crescent but to the night when there is NO Moon / “dark”

[Lughaidh]

Literally it would be “an ghealach dhorcha” (gealach dhorcha if it is only “(a) dark moon”). But I don’t know if it’s the habitual way to say dark moon in Irish. I can’t even find “dark moon” in the dictionaries 🙁

[Seosamh2012]

grma

Would the pronunciation approximate to /ᵊ ʝæʟɪːx ʝɔRxə/ ?

[aonghus]

This is more commonly called a new moon; gealach úr

[Lughaidh]

Would the pronunciation approximate to /ᵊ ʝæʟɪːx ʝɔRxə/ ?

in northwestern Donegal we say [ə jalˠah ˈɣɔɾahə]

This is more commonly called a new moon; gealach úr

that’s what I thought, but after searching it in Tobar na Gaedhilge, it looks like it’s something else. For instance,when I saw sentences like:

bhì gealach ùr ag tuitim siar go bun na spéire
or
bhì gealach ùr sa spéir agus ì ag cur dath…

the new moon can’t be seen, so gealach ùr is something else — at least in Ulster.

[Cúnla]

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[ré] nua, a new moon

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Spéir-ġealaċ, f., sky-brightness, as on a cloudless and moonless but starry night, or of a clouded moon (R. O. ; better smúid-Ä¡. or modar-) ; gs. as a. -aiÄ¡e, bright moonless ; oiḋċe spéir-Ä¡ealaiÄ¡e, a bright moonless night, in places a bright moonlight night…

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nua-éasca, a new moon

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Éasca, g. id. and éisce, f. (old neut.), the moon ; oiḋċe gan [éasca], a moonless night.

[Cúnla]

As Seanfhocla Chonnacht:

Gealach úr ar an Satharn, uair amháin, is rómhinic sin féin.

[Cúnla]

…Ach cf. freisin (as Seanfhocla Chonnacht):

Ní moltar ceo na seanghealaí.

Agus:

Ceo deireadh gealaí, is galar súl seanduine.

[Lughaidh]

Ach ní hionann an 2 rud 🙂

[Lughaidh]

Oíche ré d(h)orcha, sin oíche.
Gealach dhorcha, sin gealach (nach bhfeictear ach tá sí ann mar sin féin 🙂 )

[Hugo]

De reir ‘Cora Cainte as Tir Chonaill’: Re dhorcha – an t-am a thig idir deireadh agus tus gealai.
Beidh se de dhith oraibh lampa a thabhairt libh anocht no ta an re dhorcha ann

(Ta mo chuid fadas ar shiul)

[Seosamh2012]

Would the pronunciation approximate to /ᵊ ʝæʟɪːx ʝɔRxə/ ?

in northwestern Donegal we say [É™ jalË ah ˈɣɔɾahÉ™]

A bit off topic but do you think there is any method in learning proper pronunciation while reading which can substitute for living among native speakers?

[Seosamh2012]

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Gealach dhorcha, sin gealach (nach bhfeictear ach tá sí ann mar sin féin 🙂 )

well it looks like this is the best translation?

[Lughaidh]

A bit off topic but do you think there is any method in learning proper pronunciation while reading which can substitute for living among native speakers?

you can listen to recordings of native speakers ; radio, Youtube videos, CDs…

[Hugo]

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Gealach dhorcha, sin gealach (nach bhfeictear ach tá sí ann mar sin féin 🙂 )

well it looks like this is the best translation?

No. See An Carmanach’s 2nd last text and my previous one. And please put the phrase in context.

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