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September 5, 2017 at 12:27 am #46165Héilics ÓrbhuíParticipant
Ní shéimhitear ainmneacha dílse ar lorg focal áirithe, go bhfios dom.. eisceachtaí atá iontu
Féach seo:
http://www.nualeargais.ie/gnag/subst2.htm#genitivverwend“proper names and other definite nouns in the genitive
principally lenited (e.g. fear Cháit = Kate’s man)
Not lenited: names with: Mo.., Do… (both former vocative forms), Maol…
Not lenited: words like: Dé = of God, San = Saint. e.g.: glóir Dé = the Glory of God
Not lenited: names of saints after: Féile = festival, San = Saint, Naomh = Holy e.g.: Lá Fhéile Pádraig = St. Patrick’s Day
Not lenited: foreign names, e.g.: dán Goethe = Goethe’s poem”September 6, 2017 at 11:45 am #46166OnuvanjaParticipantBaintear úsáid as an seanleagan ginidigh in ainmneacha scoile freisin – mar shampla, “Scoil Bhríde” (is é sin, scoil a tógadh in ómós do Naomh Bríd), seachas “scoil Bhríd” (scoil a bhfuil cailín darb ainm Bríd ag freastal uirthi).
March 16, 2018 at 10:36 am #46199GarretParticipantBeannachtaí na Féile Pádraig oraibh go léir!
Nó mar atá scríofa ar phríomh leathanach an suímh seo ‘Lá Fhéile Padraig shona duit’
Now, tugann an dara beannacht sin go leor ceisteanna dom!
Tá an t-ábhar seo pléite againn cheana féin, san alt seo ach táim fós cailte!
Ceist 1) Cén fáth a bhfuil séimhiú ar an bhfocal ‘Féile’? Nach focal firinscneach é ‘lá’?
Ceist 2) Cén fáth nach bhfuil séimhiú ar ‘Pádraig’ mas rud é go bhfuil séimhiú ar
an bhfocal roimhe?
Ceist 3) Cén fáth an bhfuil séimhiú ar ‘sona’ – cad faoi ‘lá breithe sona duit’?Aghhhh!!!
Le meas,
Garret.
March 16, 2018 at 11:39 am #46200LughaidhParticipantBeannachtaí na Féile Pádraig oraibh go léir!
gurab amhlaidh ort féin!
Nó mar atá scríofa ar phríomh leathanach an suímh seo ‘Lá Fhéile Padraig shona duit’
I’d say “Lá Fhéile Pádraig sona duit”, because “sona” refers to “lá”, which is masculine…
Ceist 1) Cén fáth a bhfuil séimhiú ar an bhfocal ‘Féile’? Nach focal firinscneach é ‘lá’?
it’s a suspended genitive, it’s as in “hata fhear an tí”. When there are 3 nouns together, the second one, most of the time, isn’t in the genitive case but instead it’s in its normal form with a séimhiú. (there are exceptions, it depends on how strong is the link between 2 of the 3 nouns).
Ceist 2) Cén fáth nach bhfuil séimhiú ar ‘Pádraig’ mas rud é go bhfuil séimhiú ar
an bhfocal roimhe?This one is more complicated. I think it’s an exception because it’s an old set phrase that obeys to old grammatical rules that don’t exist anymore apart in such phrases.
Ceist 3) Cén fáth an bhfuil séimhiú ar ‘sona’ – cad faoi ‘lá breithe sona duit’?
there shouldn’t be a séimhiú there, it’s a common mistake learners make… There are even native speakers who make the mistake (they put a séimhiú in “lá breithe sona” or “breithlá sona”) too because they’ve seen the mistake so many times, they start believing it’s right… And it’s not a traditional sentence either, it’s fairly recent (they haven’t learnt it from parents and grandparents).
Grammatically there’s no reason to have a séimhiú there: “lá” is masculine. -
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